@liaizon true, and while federating with twitter will probably kill a lot of pi-hosted instances sd-cards if they try to keep up with twkn , it will also mean that we can interact with creators who didnt find their particular niche at the fediverse
@krozruch@heluecht I am sure most instances here now will def treat it exactly like we treat gab. but its Still a good thing cause then people will already be on the fediverse and telling them to change instances AWAY from twitter can be even easier then today.
@krozruch@heluecht imagine getting to export your followers from twitter to a single user instance and have it work just like it works on mastodon rn. thats a future I have been waiting for like 10 years
@technomancy@vala cause the whole point of the fediverse is the ability for individual choice. small instances here already will simply block the "twitter instance" and nothing needs to change. But if twitter just becomes the mastodon.social. then people will be able to migrate seamlessly from there to a small personal communally run instance and it could be the best of both worlds
@liaizon@heluecht I was mainly joking based on my own experiences of late etc. I worry about big players ability to manipulate protocols through lobbying etc., but yes, I can see that it could be a good thing.
@liaizon@vala we do have that in Pleroma at least - the problem is that it's recursive so you end up crawling the entire Fediverse, instead of only the profiles you're subscribed to (it's killed more than one instance)
@krozruch@heluecht oh yes its gonna be a fucking nightmare of a war if twitter gets involved with the protocol decision making process, which they inevitably will. and if they join then google and facebook will probably send their goons over too so they can have their say. This is why we need to get to work NOW
@mewmew@krozruch@heluecht It depends on where you stand on many fences. For me personally I am fine with federating my single instance with twitter. But many groups will *not* want to federate with them, because they use the fediverse very differently then I. And thats one of the things that makes this place great!
@technomancy@liaizon instance blocking is kind of a hard measure though, as it removes a lot of the choices from users of the instance, but muting twitter and hiding it from the public timeline (and somebody introducing instance only posts as part of activitypub) will probably be enough for most cases.
might depend on the community in question though. some are more closed off than others
We're in the filling of a "We're making changes to Twitter to offer a unique experience above and beyond anything else on the web" sandwich right now. The pendulum will swing back and cleave the 'verse again.
keep in mind this fetches whenever your instance comes to know about a user, not when you subscribe to a user, so it WILL recursively crawl the entire fediverse and is probably a terrible idea. but it does have it.
@vala@liaizon in my mind instance blocking is the best-case scenario; it's easy to imagine a situation in which Twitter uses its 800-lb gorilla status to pressure ActivityPub into making protocol changes which suit it at the expense of the wider community, fragmenting the fediverse.
it's similar to when Microsoft went from ignoring the web to starting to develop Internet Explorer. remember how well that turned out for the rest of us?
@technomancy@liaizon in my head the best case scenario is if twitter makes interest specific instances, so clout chasers can stay in one place, brands another, gamers put together in a potato spec server, politicians can burn in a dumpster fire along with the rest of political twitter etc.
maybe it is just my bad experience with instance blocklists that float around the fediverse already, as new instances doesnt tend to check out the instances listed or even ask instance owners how they handle reports before blocking.
blocking can be used for good (who really needs to see the boomers of gab for example), but most of it is just depriving instance users of new people to talk to. just my 0.2 buccarinos
@liaizon@kaniini i honestly think kaniini is the best possible candidate for the job, partly because they hate the idea right now and also because whatever they might do in that position is certain to be interesting
@seasharp@mewmew@heluecht@liaizon On a purely technical level, could a bad actor whose modus operandi is data mining and surveillance capitalism, enter the fediverse and strip mine it? Ie. could it be that, say, Twitter's entry into the Fediverse might be good for users on the one hand (more interactions, more choice etc.) and kick up one hell of a lot of market externalities for democracy, manipulation of public opinion etc. whether this happens on Twitter / Fediverse or not?
@krozruch@liaizon@heluecht@mewmew i absolutely think so, and i also think its somewhat inevitable. The only bullwark against the gamification of these kinds of information systems is a culture of critical thinking and vigilance, the brainshare and decision capacity for which is under assault from all sides.