maybe its my feemail soshulizashun speaking but I feeling kinda bad for elfie. the guy really wanted me to like him and I was all "I can't be friends with pedos." I wish he said up front he had never offended and not made it seem like he's consumed cp
@georgia unless he privately messaged you and expressed that's a part of his attraction and self awareness about he implications, and didn't pressure you to accept that, then I think it's his own fault
@georgia@oxblood I mean up to you but we all have the choice of what we want to disclose about ourselves and what not. When it comes to something considered socially reprehensible it's wise to keep your mouth shut if you want to make friends.
@MisterRogersSnapped@Curarpikt@oxblood we were shitting on bahn who constantly pops into convoys like people don't want him dead and was like "you just hate bahn for being a pedo?" and I said "and for being alive" then he said he was a pedo too. and I asked him if he meant like jailbait pervert pedo lite or like pre-pubsecent babyrape pedo and he didn't respond which made me think it was Pedophilia Classic
@MisterRogersSnapped@Curarpikt@oxblood yeah but I was splitting hairs as to why bahn who wants to fuck 4 year olds is worse than him I also asked if he's consumed cp and he was evasive which made me think he had so at that point I was like die in a fire more or less later claimed he hadn't "consumed anything" though
@MisterRogersSnapped@georgia@oxblood I think most of Europe has it about right. At least from my town growing up, most of the girls were sexually active starting at about 14 or 15. A little older for men, but men have longer puberty so that's expected.
@georgia Arguable. The point is that a pedo is about as neurologically deviant as you are so it's fairly hypocrital to hate him for it if he's actively trying to not act on it. He's not a rapist or anything, he's a socially awkward baker that looks at a bit too much anime porn.
maybe he "is gay" according to some textbooks or whatever but no society would ever punish under gay laws a guy like that. This "thought crime", "pre-crime" tier stuff is wrong and people who support and promote it are awful.
And, do you know how many homophobes later get caught with gay porn or paying a gay prostitute??? Even if he is truly afraid of homosexuals (that's what phobic means), how does that prove he's not acting on his lust for "love" with children?? Pedos never never admit they look at porn, but they are always busted with it. #PedoRapist
@fluffy@oxblood yeah but most people only apologize when they do something wrong or under duress. I am choosing to apologize because I am an empathetic person of my own free will despite doing nothing wrong. in the same way I could say "I'm sorry your mother died" but there's no corrective action I would take
@nerdman@georgia@oxblood plenty of pedophilia going on in the world among the elites. just like with coke and other drugs, it's an okay for me but not for thee thing.
georgia has a reasonable enough point about normalization. this notion that girls only 18+ are marriageable is very new and fragile, and in a deep way linked to women's sovereignty. Many things can become normalized or not normalized, and there are some people who would benefit a lot from its normalization. I would expect women's rights advocates, which is not a negligible force, to be at the front of the defense against it.
Anyway , it's totally stupid to be into girls under 18, and beyond stupid to tell other people about it (honestly, keep your crimes to yourself, please). Men have very simple needs in the bedroom, unlike women, and I fully expect robot waifus to not only replace but actually outperform any gf needs we may have in this decade.
@georgia@fluffy@oxblood like to be clear i'm not saying the act of pedophilia is ok but i'm extremely interested in the concept of 'normalizing pedophilia' (aka not shunning people attracted to kids for existing) being harmful since all the articles i can't find on it are right-wing scare articles and not anything that lines up with what sex researchers say or suggest to do with this tpoic
@fluffy@georgia@oxblood i'm aware of a few, they're on twitter and talk about it often. it's often done on sex offenders or anonymous studies. i wouldn't see why they'd be barred from a university for doing science?
@fluffy@georgia@oxblood i'm probably rambling but i also am not quite sure what you mean by normalizing it- do you mean like saying it's ok to touch kids? if so, agreed. but if you mean agreeing to stop treating people badly for being wired wrong then that seems less like normalizing and more like ... we're the baddies? because we're the ones treating people badly instead of searching for humane options or balancing things as a society by having laws or due process around this. if we want to presume guilt, shouldn't there be a way to appeal it or something like that?
@jookia@georgia@oxblood > i wouldn't see why they'd be barred from a university for doing science? we have always banned scientists who present inconvenient facts, and continue to do so. Now much more than even a few decades ago.
Boomers have really done a number on our universities. It is dangerous to do science on any controversial topic.
cf. James Watson >Nobel Prize-winning father of DNA says he still believes in a link between race, intelligence. His lab just stripped him of his titles.
@jookia@fluffy@oxblood I just think "think of the pedo" can only be harmful when there are so many abused kids and formerly abused adults who suffer in silence. I can only imagine predators being all poor me and using it as a ploy for sympathy
@jookia@fluffy@oxblood James cantor, funny guy he was snarky with me in reverting my edits to paraphilia on wikipedia, told me I was moralizing for distinguishing between homosexuality and paraphilias. my edits got reinstated though lel
@jookia@georgia@oxblood james cantor seems to publish pretty frequently. He is in Toronto but part of his own institute, not UT. I'll look into his results. It is notoriously hairy to make statements about the brain and psych is full of hacks so we must be cautious.
McPhail has not even graduated yet so probably he is not a leader in the field
@jookia@fluffy@oxblood we can acknowledge that pedophilia (which I'm distinguishing from child sexual abuse cause not all csabusers are pesos and vise versa) is not a choice but I fear saying its "just thoughts" and therefore morally neutral. its evil.
@georgia@jookia@oxblood Usually when a world class scholar in the topic, perhaps the leading world expert, provides me some correction... my first thought will not be that I, an amateur, am right, and he is wrong.
I hope you have the same fervour 20 years from now when the powers that be will be calling you a hatemonger and start pushing "hello! It's mellow to be pedo".
LGBT everything should be peoples own business in their homes and nowhere else, if anything, but the over-politicization of this issue and indoctrination of it on our children is just a softening work for the undoubted forcing us to accept all sexual deviances as valid lifestyles.
My Red Light Saber will burn thru the weakness and corruption, oh yes my niggas.