It’s official. Mobian on Pinephone is an unpleasant circus. I don’t think this is the Pinephone’s fault, I blame Linux, which, either because of or in spite of decades of talent being poured into its ecosystem, remains a rabbit warren inside a dumpster fire.

The manifold and petty ways in which mobile linux on Pinephone appears to be broken is not compelling. Someone needs to hack this product back to basics. An attempt to overlay and implement the features of commodity smartphones upon the bloat of GNU/Linux is neither approachable nor maintainable. The hardware is nice, and it's begging for paradigm-shift minimalist OS, not 1.6GB of GNU/Linux desktop packages stuffed into a pantomime Android costume.

@d I think this is true for pine64 hardware in general

The experience is summed up in my mind by the conclusion of Joyce's "Araby" (an excellent read if you haven't), "Gazing up into the darkness I saw myself as a creature driven and derided by vanity" ... should have spent the pennies of my weekend more wisely here.

@allison good to know, this was my first work on their stuff.

@allison @d i dont think pine is at fault here.... linux and arm are complicated, and there's basically no way around that sadly. there's no other options :(

@d That sort of minimalist OS seems like it could be an interesting project. You thinking of an entirely new OS designed from the ground up for the job, or a paring-down of an existing opensource OS?

... I really need to run through nand2tetris and do all the work at some point lol

@d 2022 will be the year of the Plan 9 smartphone.

@parity yes please, I can't wait to try drawing window borders on a 5" screen!

@Sovereign_Beast (1/2) I would love to say ground-up OS, but I think that obviates the general purpose hardware we have here, and the hardware isn't really the problem. So... instead of being a purist in that regard, I would advocate for a paring down of an existing OS.

@Sovereign_Beast (2/2) The actual technological feat is a distraction, though. It's a functionality paradigm shift that's needed. The pantomime-Android situation here is predicated on assumptions about the use and featureset of a smartphone. Throw those away, invent something new! Light Phone II did this, and it works way better. Honestly, I don't know that Light Phone II isn't just an Android skin, but it doesn't suffer for being one, if it is.

@allison @parity omg, ok, I take back the snark. That's pretty much exactly what I'm talking about (in a good way). This is a stripping-away of the nonessential and the traditional. It's ugly as can be, but that's just a style matter, and easily changed. Fundamentally, this has better prospects for stability and usefulness.

@parity @d need

@nyx @d the phone we need but don't deserve

@allison "echo 'dial 5551234567' > /phone/phone" is fucking amazing.

e v e r y t h i n g i s a f i l e

@parity blessed design tbh

@parity @d this is what corporate adoption took from us

@d sad to read this but good to know.